College Conversations Season 1, Episode 10: Professional Development: A New Era - Announcing The Institute’s ProDev Program (Transcript)
Episode Synopsis
Join Gregg Garner, Jeff Sherrod, Benjamin Reese, and Laurie Kagay in an exciting announcement of The Institute's Professional Development (ProDev) program. This episode sheds light on how the ProDev program provides Institute students with a unique Christian workplace environment. Here, students can enhance their occupational skills, graduate debt-free, and step into the professional world with both experience and a job offer in hand. This conversation is key for anyone interested in how faith and professional development can be seamlessly integrated in an educational setting.
College Conversations Season 1, Episode 10: Professional Development: A New Era - Announcing The Institute’s ProDev Program (Episode Transcript)
Jeff Sherrod 0:10
Hey, everyone, welcome to college conversations, a podcast in which we discuss the latest trends and ideas that are shaping the world of Christian higher education. I'm your host, Jeff sherried. And today, I'm joined with Professor Benjamin Reese, our college president, Professor Greg Garner, and our Vice President of Enrollment, Miss Lori kaigi. Hi. And I didn't know if you didn't know if you guys knew this, but the average student loan payment, like a monthly payment is $400. For people that are age 25, that outside of mortgages that student loans comprise the largest sector of consumer debt. In America, it's constantly cited as like one of the major sources of anxiety. And beyond that, almost 50% of students say that their college education didn't adequately prepare them for their career or their jobs. So those kind of two things, you know, yeah, it's a double whammy. And, you know, I'm not, that's kind of some of the issues that we're talking about today. We're talking about, you know, an exciting initiative that President Garner kicked off, to help keep costs low for families as they come to the institute, while also giving students real world job experience. We call this the professional development initiative. We call it pro dev for short. And I'm excited to discuss what this means, especially for students that are coming into the Institute in the fall of 2023. So yeah, I'd love for you to maybe Greg, just kind of kick us off here. What was some of the impetus for kicking this off at this time,
Gregg Garner 1:43
so this initiative has been a long time coming, there's, there's been a lot that's had to have been done, in order for it, to actually even have the different necessary components for its success. Because while the end is to provide a scholarship, for students of which that meant we had to go fundraising and figure out how to get people to give towards professional development and students. So while it is a scholarship, at the same time, there had to be an appropriate venue for them to implement what they're learning in the classroom with like minded people in various industries, right. So the variety of industries that we chose for students to exercise their learning, and developing their skill sets in our correlative to what we believe are effective categories of service in the developing world. So these would actually be skill sets that they could use or bring into their development work, while at the same time, participate in industry here in the United States, so that they not only have exposure, but even an opportunity to grow and develop themselves within the context of an industry and a trajectory towards a career. Yeah. And that this can happen simultaneous to their learning. Right. One of the big promises of the Professional Development Initiative, is that job placement would be available to students who graduate from the program, having successfully completed their degree and also the program development trajectory. Yeah,
Jeff Sherrod 3:52
yeah, I hear you're saying like, even some of that development, these partners in these industries that you're talking about, these are people that we, that we know that are believers. Yeah. You know, just not people that we found no, but directly going to be instrumental in helping people whether it's
Gregg Garner 4:07
today, typically, in a business, when you make a hire, you hope you're hiring someone who knows what they're doing. Makes sense, right? And that, unfortunately, is not always the case. And more and more statistics are showing that employers are stating that their employees come to work unprepared. Yeah, and you noted that earlier in your stat, that even the students are saying they felt inadequately prepared for the workforce. So this program is our desire to also give those students the pragmatic aspect of their education so that they don't feel as estranged when they do graduate and then all of a sudden are expected to enter into a work environment instead, students who complete this program should To feel not only really familiar with what takes place in on a team at a business on the day to day, but they also should be prepared to jump right in and help out in leadership. Yeah. And I think that's a really important aspect of this program. And those different industries, those different businesses who have decided to participate, there are not only fully aware that we are a mission driven Christian community, but they also recognize their role to participate in the development of those students. So again, rather than just hiring those who are already ready to make the work done, they know that they're hiring people who students who have a lot to learn, and may not understand the industry, and may need the extra time to be walked through certain things. And unfortunately, I've seen that in business, this kind of happens naturally. But there's a frustration associated with it, in that the business typically expected someone to know how to do whatever it is that they've been hired to do. And it's a whole other thing, when you have an intentional program that highlights the fact in their first year, they're going to be becoming aware of like adult job career expectation. And even in the program, what we have been doing is not even choosing a trajectory of a specific industry, but they go through a process of submitting or choosing which three or four they'd like to get involved in, we then have them do resumes, and then they submit those, and then the different businesses will evaluate who it is that they would take on. Yeah, and then based on that, we would probably highlight three or four of them for the individual. So that in their first year, for each term, they get an exposure experience, yeah, to each of those industries.
Jeff Sherrod 7:04
One of the super cool things about that is that this is an individualized approach. You know, we're looking at people's personality, their skill sets those things. And I think that's even exciting, too. It's not like a one size fits all. Yeah,
Laurie Kagay 7:15
I think that's one of my favorite parts, too, is they are still just 18. So kind of giving them the flexibility to be exposed to multiple venues. Yeah, I've been seeing some
Gregg Garner 7:25
and I think it's, I think it's also truthful to communicate that these days. Even if you have a 21 year old who's come in later, yeah, they often do not possess the skill sets that a professional should have when they enter into the work environment. And I think we all see this, when we go like out to eat at a restaurant, you have the 23 year old server, acting like they're doing you a favor, in that you are, you know, they're bringing you food, like we're indebted to them, rather than them recognizing, you're about to get 20% of whatever I pay for right now, on top of whatever it is that they're paying you. And your only job is to make sure this glass of water stays full, right? And then all of a sudden, when I'm like raising my hand for refilling the water, like okay, just just a second, okay? But then if at the end, I decide, hey, I don't want to pay you 20% I'm gonna pay you 10% and the social shame and everything else attached with that. So these days, I mean, gosh, I hate when they have the iPads, they flip them over. Like before, you know, it's just whatever, you know, like, I'm just ordering at the counter. I'm gonna pick it up at the counter and even
Jeff Sherrod 8:50
know how well you're about to do because typically before you start, right, yeah, so they
Gregg Garner 8:54
flip it over and they're just staring at you. And then I'm like afraid they're gonna spit my food. I don't know who these kids are, you know what's modified, it'll push the right tipping button anyways, yeah, we've all had the experience, where you're in an environment where young people are working, and they're not even aware of the professional expectations that should be upon them. The culture is shifting. And it has everything to do with the fact not that they're bad kids, but that young people are ill equipped to effectuate the kind of service that I think we qualify as good service. And this program is going to highlight those things, right? Because there are there are check ins throughout the course of their experience. So continue with that trajectory after their first year they get exposure to four different industries that are kind of related because they are picking them according to their interests. The next year, they'll narrow them down to two and then they'll take half the year with one half the year with the other one and their third year they'll narrow it down to the one of those too, and then in their fourth year, they have an opportunity to even be offered a job by the company. Yeah. Or to go ahead and finish out the year in that industry, figuring out what next steps are either with that business or, or you know, any any employer who is going to see that you've been with another business for two and a half years exclusively, and that you've had x responsibilities.
Jeff Sherrod 10:27
That’s because you're building your resume, building your portfolio, saying less, yes,
Gregg Garner 10:31
you that so the program even becomes an investment right into your future on a very practical level. This is a resume point. Yeah, it's awesome. And I think that is, is another benefit to the program. But along the way, the Institute is responsible for the education. Yeah, the jobs are available to help the student acclimate to their business culture, to the business skills, expectations, among other things, practical. Our responsibility is to teach them how to become those professionals. And so we have every month a panel, we call them dev talks. In fact, I think there's a dev talk tomorrow. And during the dev talks, we have different professionals coming in, and just like a TED talk, they say like five reasons this has to happen. Yeah, or I know last time it was it was some I think in tomorrow's someone's talking on five reasons why ghosting someone.
Jeff Sherrod 11:36
Oh, right. Yeah.
Gregg Garner 11:37
The devil is the devil like that. Yeah, yeah. And just addressing
Jeff Sherrod 11:42
highlighting. Sure. Yeah, the culture is if I don't know the answer, I'm just like, I'm Santa ghost you. Yeah.
Gregg Garner 11:46
And instead helping students to recognize you can not know the answer and still respond. And here's some ways to do it.
Benjamin Reese 11:53
In a dating sense, no.
Gregg Garner 11:56
Everything's in the context of professionalism. Yeah. Yeah, we're not getting into the industry of professional dating. Well, there's definitely some pros out there. Yeah. The so yeah, we have these dev talks. And then there's reviews that are done with our Pro, the pro dev program director. And these reviews really help the student identify where in which they can improve. And along the way, we're doing assessment tests, with respect to personality, their work temperaments, even even when doing reviews, looking at where their weaknesses and their strengths exists, to help them understand how they can function in a way that's energizing to them, rather than merely challenging and then potentially defeating. Yeah, so there's a lot that we're putting, oh, yeah,
Jeff Sherrod 12:50
I mean, education. And that's what I'm hearing, when you're saying this is like education central to this, we're not just saying, no, go get a job to help you pay for school, no way, this is central to what we're trying to help you to learn. In
Gregg Garner 13:00
fact, it would be better if we just let our students go get jobs, yeah. And then come and pay for school and come and learn. It'd be better for us less work for us. But again, what we recognize is that our students are graduating without the professional skills that they need to thrive in the workplace. I mean, our graduates have been phenomenal. We have great people passing through our college, but they get on the other side of that Biblical Studies degree, that missiologist slash Community Development degree. And when you ask them to consider their status as an employee, whether they're an independent contractor, or a W two worker, they have no way of answering Yeah, and they don't understand certain things hit them later, when they're like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe I have to pay all these taxes. At the end of this year, I had no idea. And it's like, well, you've been an independent contractor the whole year. Yeah, you're supposed to do. But. So in the past, we'd have to kind of ad hoc, help our students out as they discovered things. And then our graduates, they get into places and as long as it was like, familiar ministerial territory, they were okay. Right. But as soon as they entered into more of like, again, the professional and business realm, I think there might have even been avoidance on people's part. You just don't want to contend with what they don't know. So this is going to answer that. Right. And, and, you know, we would have loved to have had something like this for our students 15 years ago, but it wasn't right. And it wasn't the time and again, there was a lot that we had to set up just to make it so that this could be successful.
Jeff Sherrod 14:50
Absolutely. And we got so we got some notes in front of us. So I do want to make sure as we're students are listening and you guys are like, how can I get involved in this? Let's say Laurie, I'm gonna dress this to you. Let's say that you're A student has applied to the institute or thinking about applying to like, I want to do that, like, what are some of the next steps? Like, how do they get involved in this? Yeah,
Laurie Kagay 15:06
if you've, if you're accepted already, then that, that's great news. Okay. And this is just yet, congratulations, this is, you know, one more step in the application process. So, as you're making your deposit to come live on campus, you'll also have a professional development, you know, application that you can complete. And that will, you know, open you up to these conversations.
Gregg Garner 15:29
You don't have to do this, you don't have to do this at all, because it's, it's basically communicating. But it's like, it's a, it's a covenant, you know, to just say, Hey, we're going to help you develop as a professional, you're going to attend to the expectations of the program, right? And not every student feel will feel the need to do that, or want to do that. But it's highly recommended. Yeah, right. Because there's also going to be shared experiences between cohorts of students that allow them that wonderful experience of learning together. And when you can discuss what you're learning together, that always amplifies the results. So we do recommend everyone doing it, yeah, but it's not mandatory, and
Laurie Kagay 16:11
increase mentorship as well. Yeah, when they're a part of that they have even more people speaking into their lives in a way that's not ad hoc.
Gregg Garner 16:19
And even the mentors, though, that we provide through our student integration process, and our community, our student life, this will give them more things to talk about, that are scripted into the agenda, because they will operate as accountability for their development, even on the professional side. So spiritual development, professional development, relational development, and all exist within the holistic nature of what we're trying to do. Yeah.
Jeff Sherrod 16:47
I'd like to hear some maybe examples of some of the industries that let's say students are like, what are some things that I can get involved in? What what would be what would be some of those things?
Laurie Kagay 16:56
I think I mean, even what's happening right now we're filming this podcast, but we have several students who have, you know, had the opportunity to design websites, film videos, even go to shoots, you know, whether it's what we're doing right here on campus, or even music artists in Nashville or otherwise, and they're getting that opportunity as students. So that would be one example. I think, you know, that's on the more media art side, like we said,
Gregg Garner 17:21
they're all related to these things that are emerging in the developing world, maybe a person would say media isn't the case. But good night, you just haven't been to other countries, if you don't know what main role media plays, in not just the distribution of information in developing world countries, but also in their own growing entrepreneurial sectors. You have folks who are, who are creating branding and logos in their own websites. And yeah, it's really it's really an ascent in these developed countries, but it's present and be ready for that, but also in more traditional areas like construction. And we have we have partnerships with electricians, with H vac, mechanical and home builders, and plumbing and utilities. So that whole realm but also in healthcare, whether it's in the more clinical setting, or the more natural and integrative setting, and also in maternal and childbirth. So construction, yeah, to healthcare, design, but also the operations like accounting and HR, and then physical plant or facilities management, right, like a property. There's, there's, there's a variety. We've got staffing in the hospitality industry. Yep. There's, there's,
Jeff Sherrod 18:51
I mean, so many things, that people are just going to school for those things. Yeah, and you're gonna get a Bible education, you're gonna get those skills, you're gonna get practical experiences throughout the whole thing.
Gregg Garner 19:02
I'm glad you bring that up, because one of the things that I know someone asked me was how this stays consistent with what our mission has been since the beginning. And anybody who'd ever come to the institute, from its outset knows that even we had a class called tent making right at the beginning, because we recognized that if we truly want to impact these communities that we're working on, whether they're in the United States, or they're abroad, we have to bring with us some kind of contributing capacity, that in the words of Jeremiah, benefits the welfare of the city, right so that it's even a bit of benefit to us. Now. He he highlights two industries, agriculture, plant, and then construction build homes, but he he gives the vision that this should be part of their approach into these environments. So that they can ensure welfare for everybody. Yeah. And the in the old paradigms, the way that it worked is you would have mission sending agencies who then would raise funds at local churches. And then missionaries, either church planning the United States or missions abroad would be sponsored by the generosity of these churches, I mean, these individuals. And while that still works for a lot of people, there's an element of that, that is debilitating in terms of productiveness, abroad or in those communities. Because people end up spending a lot of their time just trying to give reports and feedback to those donors and sponsors. And they, they remove themselves from expending the limited amount of energy and time they have into the actual mission and project themselves. But what happens when you can combine what you do is work? And what it is you understand to be the mission? Yeah. And that's, that's through our curriculum, we're trying to answer that question. And 10 Making was what Paul apostle did, he would tell the Thessalonians that they labored day and night. And he said, they did so so they wouldn't be a burden on anybody. And on top of that, they never wanted anyone to think that what they were doing had a pretense for greed, or that they were trying to be the kind of people who were were making a name for themselves. But instead, they were being nurturing and parental and wanting to see them grow up. And until they could create the provisions for somebody like Paul Paul. So he says, we as apostles could make demands on you guys, but we did it right. And so he's alleviating the burden there, which you see modeled even in the beginning, when God provides an irrigation system to the garden for the man and the woman so that their workload could be made easy. Anybody who's been in the developing world environment knows that the hardest thing to get there is water. Right? And, and these guys are toting water from places all over. And God right off the bat creates this irrigation system. It gives them time to just to walk with God gives them time to learn who God is, and, and do his work. And, and that's a really important aspect of our mission. And Paul apostles fulfilling that. So in the daytime, he worked in the marketplace and the night he educated the community and help them to understand their identities, so they can live out their mission. Guess where? in the marketplace? Yeah,
Jeff Sherrod 22:20
that's right. Right, right. Yeah.
Gregg Garner 22:21
It wasn't always like, hey, Thessalonians, we're gonna like send you out to all the world now. And that's when you really do ministry. It's like, you're going to work tomorrow? Who are you in Christ? Right? Who's teaching that? So our students will be able to have that, and even we change the times of our classes to fit that. That's right. Yeah. Right. times of our classes now optimize opportunities for students to be available for when industries are typically working. And that's we've done some AV testing over the last couple of years as to what works best and it feels like our students are really enjoying
Jeff Sherrod 22:54
Yeah, like a real early morning started seven. Yeah, you know, be done by 815. So they can get to work by, you know, nine o'clock. Yeah.
Gregg Garner 23:00
And then they know, there, there is an element of self discipline that has to be implemented, because they got to do the homework still, amongst other things. But yeah, the, we're trying to be comprehensive in our considerations, to maximize the opportunity for the student to both learn the subject matter, that's their major, and also, the professional skills that they can acquire through this program.
Benjamin Reese 23:23
I'm sure they'll enjoy their work much more knowing that it connects to their education, and even having a vision for how it's preparing them for their future. Right, which is often not the case with college work, they end up finding wrong the way you don't really feel like it's contributing No, it's
Jeff Sherrod 23:41
A means to an end to get enough money just to do the school.
Benjamin Reese 23:45
Usually, my dad, he went to Bible school, and he said the hardest thing was, he had to work so much just to pay it off that he didn't feel like he really got to invest in his education. That was something that really like, you know, made him sad. So it's exciting to see as different paradigm that people who are, don't have people helping them out, even can get involved in paying off their education in a meaningful way is pretty exciting. Yeah,
Gregg Garner 24:10
that's good that you said that. Because even the work here, again, it's, it's holding hands, it's in tandem with their education. So that the work they're doing, it's expected of them to be thinking through what they're learning in that context. And even that's reflected in our curriculum. So for example, let's say they do take the medical route right there in their third year they've chosen, they're working at the Family Care Center. And it's there in Luke class. And it's time to write a theological paper, they are going to write their paper on health care in theology. And so they're developing a theology of health care in their classes. That's now informing their values and how they practice while at the clinic. And so the classes are even designed so that we have those those open aspects of assignments. Yeah. that now allows a student to take their individual active consideration and apply it into how they're operating. And, and I've, I've, in classes that I've had, I've been able to do this with people over the years, it just wasn't a, an explicitly laid out program. You know, it was iterative beta testing in many ways and figuring out what's effective, and how does this impact. But I mean, I have, I have doctors now who were in my classes who were like, Man, I remember when you have me write that on healthcare. So glad I have that. Yes, it's, I have that theology. Now. It's helped me to make value decisions based upon God's word, instead of the culture or how I felt. And that was that those are nice testimony. It's wonderful.
Jeff Sherrod 25:42
I mean, it goes back to like, one of the slogans that you've kind of given us over the years is that we teach students not just classes, when we're looking at them, we're looking at their need, and we can even change classes, and make sure that it fits the particular needs that the students so they can develop and grow. Right. Well, most practice question I had is, what would be the breakdown for students that are, you know, they're in pro Dev? How many hours is that typically take throughout the week for them? And, you know, of their whole kind of responsibility? What does that look like?
Laurie Kagay 26:10
So I think, again, I've written some notes, you know, in conversations that I've had, with Greg here, and you can, you can add to it if you like, but what we've talked about is, it is still an individual ated approach. So you know, certain students may have parental help, and may not need to work as much as others. But what we've kind of found is a maximum of 25 hours a week, yeah, we put a maximum amount of hours on there so that it doesn't get imbalanced. If they start working too much, you know, the academics start to suffer.
Gregg Garner 26:42
That's another way we can help students in this program is because sometimes students don't know how to regulate their workload. And when you're able to have a maxim, and it's clearly written in the fine print, and even the associated businesses understand that it's, it's a form of objective accountability for the student. Whereas sometimes when students control their own schedules, and someone says, Hey, pick up this extra shift this Saturday, it's a it's eight hours, and it's gonna pay you time and a half. Soon, I'll go, Yes, I need the money. And then on Monday, they're like, I can't do my homework. Yeah, I wasn't able to make this happen. I work so much on the weekend. So it also responds to that. Yeah, green question that students have and giving them that regulation. But, um, in order for the program to be effective, I would think and we haven't explicitly say the minimum, but I would think it has to be 10 a week. Yeah. Yeah. 10. So they get a couple hours, but enough
Jeff Sherrod 27:36
Enough meat to actually get the skills. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's great. And what what about eligibility? Who's Who's eligible for this? And, yeah,
Laurie Kagay 27:46
so for right now, this is just for on campus, and traditional undergrads. So those who are coming to our campus anywhere from right after graduation from high school, through like their early 20s. So we have, you know, we love our online learners and all those things. But for now, this is an on campus experience that we're able to offer them.
Gregg Garner 28:05
And actually, we're going to try and roll out soon for online learners, some remote working opportunities to make this happen. Yeah, it'd be awesome. And it's not too far behind. Yes. We just want to roll this out first. And you but you online learners, we love you guys. We're looking out for you. That's right. Hopefully, we'll have something like that for you real soon.
Jeff Sherrod 28:29
Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Well, I appreciate your guys's time and answering some of these questions. I know that it's exciting when you can hit the needs of students. Right. It's like we're trying to say let's prepare him for a workforce. Let's bring cost down. And you know, I love this initiative. So President garner some time before we show yeah.
Gregg Garner 28:50
So I another another reason why I knew that we had to have a program like this. And we had to formalize it was that when I evaluated Jesus's teachings with his disciples, he often gives them analogies that only exist in the workplace. Now, given that different work, they are farmers, they're fishermen. But nonetheless, he could pull from their experiences at work to help them make sense of the kingdom of God. And I've noticed over the years now, teaching, post secondary education for 18 years, that sometimes it's so hard to teach a student, what it is that exists in Scripture for no other reason than they lacked the experience for the analogy. Yeah, that's right. So when Jesus is like, follow me, and I'll make you fishers of men. How could they even understand that if they weren't fishermen? Yeah, yeah. And so when he tells a story of, of what we would call the parable of the Pearl of Great Price, like he's pulling from their own experiences when he talks to them about being able to discern the weather and looking out at the sky and it telling them what whether they should plant or whether they should go on the sea, but yet discerning of the times of something, they needed to make better considerations for these analogies, you just look at the Gospels again, you'll see them all the time. Look at how often Jesus talks about work, labor, and just make those observations. So for me, I think there's a, there's a real biblical conviction for us to have this program for disciples of Jesus. Yeah. Because as as they do go around the world. I mean, a misconception is Jesus said, Let me make you fishers of men. And then they stopped fishing. This is not true. They kept fishing throughout the whole thing. We know that when Jesus was asked you guys gonna pay your taxes? He laughs and, and says, Yeah, Peter, go go catch a fish. They'll be a coin in its mouth. And what a great community joke. You know, I know a lot of people think Jesus was doing a magic trick. But he to me, he's such a, he's so good with humor. He's just highlighting. Yeah, we're gonna pay taxes like everyone else does. We're gonna go work. Money doesn't come out of, you know, today, we'd say money doesn't grow on trees. Right. Right. But what does go on tree fruit? And that's what we sell in the marketplace. Yeah. And what do we catch in the ocean, we catch fish. And that's what we sell the marketplace for their coin, and they get to determine the currency value. And so Jesus is both critiquing and practically answering through that, but how would they have gone to the sea? Now people are like, well, you just go fishing. Like it's like fishing in our day? Not true at all. No, you have to have a special license that was expensive, with tagged boats and licensed boats to get on the sea. And in fact, if you did it outside of those contexts, you're at enmity with the state. Yeah. Even though the most recent episodic series about Jesus the chosen, yeah, they rightly demonstrated they, you know, that's a little fictive in the imagination, but it's not too far off that Peter is in trouble, because he's having a feast fishing off grid and not paying taxes on what's going on. Yeah. And you know, he's, he's trying to cut some corners. And I think I thought that was brilliant, the way they handled that. But sometimes people just think these guys stopped fishing. But even at the end of John, what did they all go to do? Fishing. That means they still have their boats. Right. The other nets, these guys are still working. Yeah. And they I mean, later on, even in the X. Peter goes to hang out with Simon the tanner. Right. Someone that he would have known from the marketplace? Yeah. And made some kind of business connection. Yeah, there's just so much to the Bible that sometimes we miss out on because our ideals are screaming at us. This is what missions is like, this is a Bible schools like this is what Christianity is like, stead of letting the Bible inform us and actually make life a little more exciting. Yeah. And open our eyes up to the adventure that exists again, when you're following Jesus. Yeah. So I wanted to bring that up there. There's a biblical conviction connected to and even scriptural textual evidence for why disciples of Jesus need this kind of a program. Yeah.
Jeff Sherrod 33:02
And even the like you said, just it's going to amplify their biblical studies, even as they're in the class in a way that they probably don't know at this point until you get into it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, I thank you guys for your times, and students. I'll see you guys later. If you guys have any questions, don't hesitate to reach out.
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